Pride (cross-archive-excerpt)

Anyway, I listened to a reading of The Great Sin, a chapter in Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis (on my to-read-very-soon list). Wow. Ouch. It's about pride.
"There is no fault which makes a man more unpopular, and no fault which we are more unconscious of in ourselves."
uh huh. more later.
"...Pride leads to every other vice: it is the complete anti-God state of mind. ...Pride is essentially competitive - is competitive by its very nature... Pride gets no pleasure out of having something, only out of having more of it that the next man. ... It is the comparison that makes you proud: the pleasure of being above the rest. ...power is what Pride really enjoys: there is nothing makes a man feel so superior to others as being able to move them about like toy soldiers..."
this made me think of a picture. Hard to explain... Each man who rejects God is in essence saying he is God. Now, picture to yourself a worse war than all the epic Greek tales of the skirmishes of the gods and goddesses put together. Their fight for power was tame. But we humans? It's a bloody war. No one can stand being a lesser god. And we're so fighting madly against our fellow man, and against God.

This was a comforting confirmation of what I hinted at in my "To Know God" post.
"How is it that people who are quite obviously eaten up with Pride can say they believe in God and appear to themselves very religious? I am afraid it means they are worshipping an imaginary God. They theoretically admit themselves to be nothing in the presence of this phantom God, but are really all the time imagining how He approves of them..."

And finally (although I would love to continue quoting!): "The real test of being in the presence of God is that you either forget about yourself altogether or see yourself as a small, dirty object. It is better to forget about yourself altogether."
uh-huh.

To know God (a forum post archive)

Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

Isn't that how we unwittingly but often view the Bible and our spiritual beliefs? How much is our title "Christian" just brand loyalty? It makes sense, satisfies our intellectual and existentual questions, and we have peace and warm fuzzies.

Recently, I had an awful experience. Forgive me for not making this clear, but because it is so deep, it is hard to explain. I'd gotten a spiritual spanking via a friend (quite unknowingly on his end) by realizing I had my priorities all out of wack. He reminded me that the Bible didn't talk about alot of things, but it did frequently talk about one thing, relationships. This is so important to God, that that is the focus of the two greatest commandments. "Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:36-40
Wow. That's it. Love God. Love others. The most important things. I could go on and on about the second, but I think we often (I know I do) forget the first much more than the second.

Love God. That's the most important. Oh, sure it is. I know that! I love God! What God? Which god? The god in your brain? I was shocked once when I read somewhere about someone who would stare up at the corner of their bedroom when praying. Sounded similar to me. I won't stare up at anything in particular, but my prayers seemed to be just formulations of thought in my head and not directed to a specific person, but rather a hazy god. Have we ever stopped and tried to fathom the very real existence of God? This is what I meant by the awful experience. It is truly terrifying when you start to realize that all this is not just words and ideas, but reality. REAL reality. Sorry I can't explain more, but some things refuse to be put into words.

I'm still on this amazing journey to knowing God, but I want to share several quotes that have helped me. I hope I didn't overload, but these all are just so powerful!

My words fly up, my thoughts remain below:
Words without thoughts never to heaven go.
-- Shakespeare, Hamlet Act III, Scene III

I gave in, and admitted that God was God. --C. S. Lewis

If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort you will not get neither comfort or truth, only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair. --C. S. Lewis

Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important. --C. S. Lewis
This could be taken a step further to say: "God, if nonexistent, is of no importance, but if He is real, He is of infinite importance. The only thing He is not is moderately important." Now translate that into your life!

Human beings must be known to be loved; but divine beings must be loved to be known. --Blaise Pascal

Man is not at peace with his fellow man because he is not at peace with himself, and he's not at peace with himself because he's not at peace with God. --Thomas Merton (as quoted by Ravi Zacharias)

God is like the sun. You cannot look at it, but without it you cannot look at anything else. --attributed to G. K. Chesterton

Nothing is important - except the fate of the soul. --G. K. Chesterton

You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. --C. S. Lewis

When a man has found something which he prefers to life, he then for the first time begins to live. --G. K. Chesterton

God cannot give us a happiness apart from Himself, because it is not there. There is no such thing. --C. S. Lewis

The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult and left untried. --G. K. Chesterton

How does finitude express the infinite; how does the dirty describe the clean; how does the impure talk about the pure? When you and I can't keep our hearts clean for a solitary hour, how can we do justice to the description of who our loving God really is? --Ravi Zacharias

To realize God's presence is the one sovereign remedy against temptation. -- Francois Fenelon

The most important thing in your spiritual life is your prayer life. If you fail there, you will fail everywhere. --Ravi Zacharias

(On giants in the faith) Every man who has been successful in his spiritual life has been successful first in his personal life alone with God. --Ravi Zacharias

If you're a praying Christian, your faith in God will carry you, if you're not a praying Chrisitian, you will have to carry your faith, and you will get thoroughly, thoroughly exhausted. --Ravi Zacharias

What seem our worst prayers may really be, in God's eyes, our best. Those, I mean, which are least supported by devotional feeling. For these may come from a deeper level than feeling. God sometimes seems to speak to us most intimately when He catches us, as it were, off our guard. -- C. S. Lewis

HEAVEN AND HELL by Francis Thompson

Quote:

'Tis said there were no thought of hell, Save hell were taught; that there should be A Heaven for all's self-credible. Not so the thing appears to me. 'Tis Heaven that lies beyond our sights, And hell too possible that proves; For all can feel the God that smites, But ah, how few the God that loves!

The only place outside Heaven where you can be perfectly safe from all the dangers and perturbations of love is Hell. --C. S. Lewis

excerpts from THE HOUND OF HEAVEN by Francis Thompson

Quote:

I fled Him, down the nights and down the days; I fled Him, down the arches of the years; I fled Him, down the labyrinthine ways Of my own mind; and in the mist of tears I hid from Him, and under running laughter. Up vistaed hopes, I sped; And shot, precipitated Adown Titanic glooms of chasmed fears, From those strong Feet that followed, followed after. But with unhurrying chase, And unperturbed pace, Deliberate speed, majestic instancy, They beat--and a Voice beat More instant than the Feet - "All things betray thee, who betrayest Me." I pleaded, outlaw-wise, By many a hearted casement, curtained red, Trellised with intertwining charities; (For, though I knew His love Who followed, Yet was I sore adread Lest, having Him, I must have naught beside) ... Fear wist not to evade as Love wist to pursue. Still with unhurrying chase, And unperturbed pace, Deliberate speed, majestic instancy, Came on the following Feet, And a Voice above their beat - "Naught shelters thee, who wilt not shelter Me." ... Nigh and nigh draws the chase, With unperturbed pace, Deliberate speed majestic instancy And past those noised Feet A voice comes yet more fleet - "Lo! naught contents thee, who content'st not Me." ... Halts by me that footfall: Is my gloom, after all, Shade of His hand, outstretched caressingly? "Ah, fondest, blindest, weakest, I am He Whom thou seekest! Thou dravest love from thee, who dravest Me."

And, if you're still interested, here is a really good article:
RZIM's A Slice of Eternity 12/15/05

"What is that to thee? Follow thou Me." (cross-archive)

OK, I've put off posting this long enough.

Thoughts about different beliefs, particularly about lifestyle ones, but even others that are not fundamental (as much as they might seem to those who hold them).

Why do Christians believe so strongly contradictorily?
Why do sincere Christians have unshakable and unchangable disagreements?
Who is right?

....or does it matter.
Obviously, in some issues, one of them is right. BUT, in other issues, it might really not matter...
But I have a feeling we will never know here on this earth. So how do you reconcile such conflict?

What is that to thee? Follow thou Me. John 21:22

Maybe God purposely leads us in different paths because we are different and his purposes are bigger and all-encompassing.
Am I making sense?

Seems like Romans 14 has alot to say about this too. Excerpts:
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

It was hard to choose - the whole chapter is powerful.
I've let up on alot of minor beliefs I used to hold quite strongly. Simply because they shouldn't matter as much. It's the fundamentals that really matter.
And not only that, but we should focus more on obeying Jesus than figuring out the rules for this and that.

ok, that's it for now. more thoughts are rolling about but not formulated yet.

Weird (cross-archive)

ever wonder why on earth this world was constructed so that when you are driving on (most) roads, you are practically playing chicken!?
one slight mistake, a hiccup, a swerve, and you're buttercup!
something i've always (well not quite) pondered/puzzled over.

(and makes me shudder when the fellow chicken is a large semi!! )

such is our world!

Cosmos (cross-archive)

More thoughts related around that Who? song.
I recently watched Men in Black (for the first time, I'm a little slow), and, as usual, tried to learn from it. The ending really sticks with me, you know, how it zooms out and out and out, until these, what were they, giant lizards? Can't remember, are rolling around these marbles of galaxies that contain way within them our own galaxy. Helped me somewhat (!) grasp the sense of space.
So when I happen to be outside (being on a farm gives you quite a panoramic view of the sky) at night, listening to Who?, I just gaze up up up, and almost get a sense of how big it actually is (almost!), and again go, WOW! OUR GOD IS BIG!!!

WHO? (cross-archive)

Ok, I give up. I'll never be able to get my thoughts formulated to give you decent blogs, so I'll just go ahead and write and disclaim responsibility.

My current fave song "of all time"?
Who? By Newsboys. This one is awesome to sing along with staring up at the stars! (even better than Michael Card's Starkindler!)

Who?

how you gonna reckon with a God like this?
when you gonna face what you can't dismiss
whatcha gonna say to the ...
soul kiss that is my God?
fearsome like the sag in a fat man's chair?
sweeter than a patch of rogain hair?
how do you define what you can't compare?
this is ... my God
and there's no use explaining
what can't be contained

Chorus
I'm not following a god I can lead around
I can't chain this deity
that's why Jesus is the final answer
to who I want my God to be
He's who (I want my God to be)

how ya gonna reckon with a God this great?
why you wanna measure what you can't equate?
watcha gonna say to the ...
check mate that is my God?
stronger than the burn of an aftershave?
tender than a burger in your microwave
rare than the air in an empty grave
this is ... my God
and there's no use explaining
what can't be contained

- Chorus -

Bridge 1
how we gonna work this out?
to fabricate a God like this no doubt
we'd end up worshipping a Christ of our own design
but Jesus doesn't fit that profile
His ways aren't mine

Bridge 2
I'm not following a God that's imagined
can't invent this deity
and that's why Jesus is the final answer
to who I want my God to be
He's who (I want my God to be)

- Chorus (3x) -



Text: Steve Taylor, Peter Furler / Musik: Peter Furler

© 2000 Dawn Treader Music (Admin. by EMI Christian Music Publishing) / Warner Sojourner Music / Soylent Tunes / SESAC


I just go "wow and amen". Need I elaborate further? I often think about this song when people end up having a conflicting or insufficient vision of God because they try to fit Him into their box of beliefs.

BTW, I'd hate to start a discussion about this in thr forum, but I've been trying to figure out about music - what's good, what's bad. I'm familiar with the arguments against rock beats, and I tend to be more picky than my bros with music.... And then I hear songs like this, and scratch my head again. I don't like most CCM, but Newsboys really attract me, their powerful lyrics and all. Right now I'm listening to "Blessed be Your Name", another Newsboys. wow.

I guess that would be one qualification for me on whether I like certain CCM - powerful & hearable lyrics...

Ok, this is going to be a long post, but got me thinking...

I guess that is part of me, I always like movies, songs, etc. that are insightful. I'm one of those who is always "reading" into movies, and drawing lessons and points from them...

OK! 'nough said for now!